What do you do…

What do you do when in the course of your ancestral hunt you bag a couple of Kings and Queens? Do you keep mum or do you talk about it? If you talk about it, will folks think you are bragging or showing off?

That’s my dilemma. You see when I was checking out Doctor Richard Palgrave, my 11xgrandfather on the Shaw side of the family, I ran into the issue of him being a descendant of Charlemagne. I don’t know about you, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around that one. Especially since it it so far back in time, it almost seems surreal. Counting back Charlemagne is my generation’s 41xgrandfather. Of course we are not alone in our connection, as there are tens of thousands of descendants of Charlemagne. In fact, some say that the majority of Europeans are a descendant of Charlemagne.

Now that’s cool and all but for me the more interesting bit is now we have Italian and French kings and queens in the mix (when I didn’t think we had any Italian in us), until we get to William the Conquerer and finally Henry I. Although, I have to admit that it is not that these were Kings and Queens that fascinates me, so much as that these were people who were the heavy hitters in history, they played a major part in shaping their respective country’s destiny. Being a lover of history-although not an expert-I am totally cool with that.

So, no, I won’t ignore the famous ancestors in order to seem modest or humble. They have as much right to be recognized by me as those not so famous ones. And no, I am not bragging or showing off, if they are my ancestors, it is my duty as a family historian to claim them. Even the famous ones.

All the images that I have posted below are suppose to be ancestors of mine. When one goes over the tree for this line of descent there are several illegitimate connections and an unfortunate lack of names for some of the women who are birthing these generations. The images are pretty much in timeline order from oldest to most recent ancestor/ancestress.

Charlemagne King of the Franks
Bernard King of Italy
Hugh Capet King of France
William the Conqueror King of England
Mathilda of Flanders, wife of William the Conqueror
Henry I King of England

Robert Earl of Glouster

Now for the line of descent. I have kept it pretty minimal:

Charlemagne, King of the Franks, Holy Roman Emperor b.742-d.813/14
Hildegarde b.758-d.783
Pepin, King of Italy b.781-d. 810 [Italy]
Bernard, King of Italy b.~ 797-d.818
married ~814
Unknown d.aft 15 Jun 835
Pepin of Peronne, Count of Senlis, Peronne, St Quentin and Vermandois b.Married
Herbert I, Count of Vermandois b.~840 France-d.902
Beatrice (Bertha) de Morvois b.France
Beatrice de Vermandois b.~880-d.aft. Mar 931 France
married 895
Robert I, Count of Paris, King of France b.866-d.(in battle) Soissons, France 15 Jun 923
Hugh Magnus, Count of Paris, Duke of France b.~895-d.Deurdan, France 16 Jun 956
married (3) ~938
Hedwig of Saxony b.~922-d.10 May 965
Hugh Capet, King of France b.941 France-d.France 24 Oct 996
married 968
Adelaide de Poitou b.France 950/550-d.France ~1004
Robert II, King of France b.France 27 Mar 972-d.Melun, France 20 Jul 1031
married 1002
Constance de Provence b.~986-d.France 25 Jul 1032
Adele de France b.?-d.France 8 Jan 1078/79
Baldwin V, Count of Flanders b.Flanders, France 1012-died Lille, France 1 Sep 1067
Mathilda of Flanders b.Flanders, France ~1031-d. Caen, France 3 Nov 1083
married ~1051 Flanders
William I, the Conquerer, Duke of Normandy, King of England b.France 1027-d.France 9 Sep 1067
Henry I, King of England b.England 1068-d.France 1 Dec 1135
Robert de Caen, Earl of Gloucester b.1190-d.Bristol 31 Oct 1147
Maud Fitz Hamon
Maud de Caen b?-d.29 Jul 1189
married ~1141
Ranulph de Gernon, Vicomte d’Avranches, Earl of Chester b.France ~1100-bur. England 16 Dec 1153
Hugh Kevelioc b.England 1147-d.Stafford 1181
married 1169
Bertrade de Montfort b.?-d.~1181
Mabel de Chester b.England ~1165-d.England
William d’Aubigny b?-d.1220/21
Isabel d’Aubigny b~1183-d.?
John FitzAlan I b.?-d.~1240
John FitzAlan II b.England-d.England bef 10 Nov 1267
Married England
Maud Verdun b.England-d.England 27 Nov 1283
John FitzAlan b.England 14 Sep 1246-d.England 18 Mar 1271/2
Married England
Isabel de Mortimer b.England ~1248-d.England >1300
Richard FitzAlan III b.England 3 Feb 1266/7-d.England 9 Mar 1301/2
married ~1285
Alesia de Saluzzo b.England-d.England 25 Sep 1292
Edmund FitzAlan b.England 1 May 1285-d.England 17 Nov 1326
married 1305 England
Alice de Warenne b.England-d.England
Richard FitzAlan b.England ~1313-d.England 24 Jan 1375/6
married 5 Feb 1344/5 Ditton, England
Eleanor Plantagenet b.England 1311-d.England 11 Jan 1371/72
Richard FitzAlan b.England ~1346-d.England 21 Sept 1397
married ~ 28 Sept 1359
Elizabeth De Bohun b.England-d.England 3 Apr 1385
Elizabeth FitzAlan b.England ~1375-d.8 Jul 1425
married Robert Goushill b.?-d.Battle of Shrewsbury 21 Jul 1403
Elizabeth Goushill b.England ~1414-d.England
Robert Wingfield b.England-d.England
Elizabeth Wingfield b.England-d.England 28 Apr 1497
married Jan 1462 England
William Brandon b.England ~1425-d.England 4 Mar 1491
Eleanor Brandon b.England-d.England 30 Jun 1480
married 1466 England
John Glemham b.England
Anne Glemham
Married England
Henry Pagrave b.England ~1470-d.2 Oct 1516 – PALGRAVE CONNECTION
Thomas Pagrave b.Married
Alice Gunton
Edward Palgrave b.England 1540-d.England 20 dec 1623
Son – emigrants to AMERICA
Richard Palgrave b.England ~1585-d.Charlestown MA Oct 1651 –
married 17 Feb 1669 England
Anna Harris b.England 1594-d.Roxbury, MA 17 Feb 1668/69
Mary Palgrave b.England ~1619-d.married ~1637 Watertown, MA
Roger Wellington b.England ~1610-d.Watertown MA 11 Mar 1697/98

It appears that the connection of Richard to these generation is legitimate, (while not all the births were). And while I haven’t done the research myself, many others have – I just hope they aren’t messing with me. The above list of ancestors is touted as the direct line down, I haven’t even begun to look into the lines of those who married into it. That would probably be another ten years of research. I will start here with little baby steps, with full intention of continuing to investigate to make sure this claim is indeed correct.

Great–now I have to bone up on my British history. As if I didn’t have enough to do.


Author: jenbumann

Genealogists, sci-fi nut, voracious reader, animal lover.

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